History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)

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Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.

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China Miéville's novel Iron Council is the tumultuous story of the "Perpetual Train." Born from monopolists' greed and dispatched to tame the western lands beyond New Crobuzon, the train is itself the beginnings of an Iron Council formed in the fire of frontier revolt against the railroad's masters. From the wilderness, the legend of Iron Council becomes the spark uniting the oppressed and brings barricades to the streets of faraway New Crobuzon. The sprawling tale is told through the past-and-present eyes of three characters. The first is Cutter, a heartsick subversive who follows his lover, the messianic Judah Low, on a quest to return to the Iron Council hidden in the western wilds. The second is Judah himself, an erstwhile railroad scout who has become the iconic golem-wielding hero of Iron Council's uprising at the end of the tracks. And the third is Ori, a young revolutionary on the streets of New Crobuzon, whose anger leads him into a militant wing of the underground, plotting anarchy and mayhem.

Miéville (The Scar, Perdido Street Station) weaves his epic out of familiar and heavily political themes--imperialism, fascism, conquest, and Marxism--all seen through a darkly cast funhouse mirror wherein even language is distorted and made beautifully grotesque. Improbably evoking Jack London and Victor Hugo, Iron Council is a twisted frontier fable cleverly combined with a powerful parable of Marxist revolution that continues Miéville's macabre remaking of the fantasy genre. --Jeremy Pugh

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Following Perdido Street Station and The Scar, acclaimed author China Miéville returns with his hugely anticipated Del Rey hardcover debut. With a fresh and fantastical band of characters, he carries us back to the decadent squalor of New Crobuzon—this time, decades later.

It is a time of wars and revolutions, conflict and intrigue. New Crobuzon is being ripped apart from without and within. War with the shadowy city-state of Tesh and rioting on the streets at home are pushing the teeming city to the brink. A mysterious masked figure spurs strange rebellion, while treachery and violence incubate in unexpected places.
In desperation, a small group of renegades escapes from the city and crosses strange and alien continents in the search for a lost hope.
In the blood and violence of New Crobuzon’s most dangerous hour, there are whispers. It is the time of the iron council. . . .

The bold originality that broke Miéville out as a new force of the genre is here once more in Iron Council: the voluminous, lyrical novel that is destined to seal his reputation as perhaps the edgiest mythmaker of the day.

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China Miéville was born in 1972. He is the author of King Rat, which was nominated for an International Horror Guild Award and the Bram Stoker Prize; Perdido Street Station, which won the Arthur C. Clarke Award and the British Fantasy Award; and The Scar, which won the Locus Award and the British Fantasy Award, and was a finalist for the Hugo Award, Philip K. Dick Award, and Arthur C. Clarke Award. He lives and works in London.

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Not Free SF Reader.......2007-09-03

Not as good as the first two, not that that means it is bad. The whole golem thing is just not as interesting to me. Perhaps a little bit more overtly political, too. If you like trains and railroads, you may well enjoy this book a lot more, but if Mieville set out to make concentrated urban fantasy, it is odd that he took it to the bush.

Another excellent book in an interesting world.......2007-08-28

Iron Council is the third book Miéville has written in his Bas-Lag world and its biggest city New Crobuzon. In this book, New Crobuzon is in trouble: outside it's tangled up in a war with the distant Tesh and their magic, inside it's tormented by various insurrectionists and rebels.

The book follows mostly three characters. Cutter is a small-scale rebel, who leaves New Crobuzon to find Judah Low. Judah is a somaturge, a golem-maker, who's seeking the Iron Council, which is important and hard to find. Ori is another insurrectionist, a small player who wants to make a difference.

It's an interesting world and once again Miéville has written an interesting book in it. Of all the Bas-Lag books, I still rank The Scar highest, but Iron Council is a very good book, full of curious detail and interesting magic. Miéville's mixture of magic and fantasy with a grim early industrial society is delightful. This is highly recommended, though to aid understanding, I recommend starting with the Perdido Street Station.

Take a ride on the perpetual train.......2007-07-07

Awesome book. China Mieville keeps enthralling me with his vivid prose and stunning landscapes where anything goes. In Iron Council we see yet again the author's talent for imagining monsters, either human or otherwise; whether it's the rulers of New Crobuzon perpetuating horrible deeds or the actual monsters populating the countryside surrounding the city. Here we see a war between two powerful city states that sparks off a revolution which leads to one man's journey to find a legend that would inspire his fellows to throw off their shackles and rise up against the tyrannical rule of the New Crobuzon Militia and the Mayor who controls them. Judah Low, a messianic golemist, sets off into the wilds beyond the city to find the Iron Council, a train state that he helped create decades ago, and a handful of diciples follow in his footsteps. Among these are Cutter, a shopowner in love with Judah, who is one of the main and most interesting characters in the novel, a man torn between his hopeless unrequited love and the eventual destruction he envisions but is helpless to prevent. While the quest for the Council is on a young man named Ori joins a dangerous crew back in New Crobuzon intent upon more than revolution on the streets of the greatest city in Bas-Lag, while sinister forces converge that could spell the end of all he has come to know and believe in. Mieville makes use of cutting-edge narrative and brilliant plotting to make Iron Council a fast paced read, but even without the riveting prose I would still love this book. Filled with malevolent parasites in the shape of human hands, huge tortoise cities moving across fields of vine herds, sinister ambassadors planning a destructive hecatomb, the Cacotopic Stain which gives Hell a whole new meaning, caterpillar beings called Inchmen, the tragic end of the swamp-dwelling Stiltspear, and Golems created from mud, sticks, train tracks, gunpowder, sound and even time itself. All these imaginings, monstrous or otherwise, are enough to bring me back for more Mieville.

MARVELLOUS, BUT .........2007-07-01

"Iron Council" in my opinion, does not quite rank with "Perdido" and "The Scar". Yet at the same time, it climbs along with them so far above the general level of Imaginative Fiction that I find it difficult to name an author who comes close to Mieville. Olaf Stapledon may have done so in "Last and First Men" and "Starmaker", and of course Tolkien in his famous works. I wonder who else could even be named.
Some reviewers have considered as defects the overtly political activity and the homo-sexuality in New Crobuzon, but Trozkyite politics are so much part of the foundation of the three books that I feel the reader has to accept them as such. I disliked the homo-sexual activity.
At the outset, I supposed that the Iron Council was a more powerful version of the machine intelligence destroyed in "Perdido Street", and was rather disappointed by the mobile commune. I would have liked to know more of the Tesh, but there is so much in "Iron Council" that we can't be told everything. Some reviewers criticize Mieville's use of language, his "carelessness", but I must say I find it more natural and far more vivid than the overly mannered schoolroom grammar many writers use.
All in all a great book, possibly dipping a little from the tremendous level of achievement of its two predecessors.

An Enchanting, Political Steampunk Fantasy Novel From China Mieville.......2007-04-06

In the short span of a literary career which has produced two acclaimed books set on the fantasy world of Bas-Lag, China Mieville has become the finest contemporary writer of science fiction and fantasy from the United Kingdom. His dense, vivid, lyrical prose easily brings to mind comparable literary eloquence achieved by the likes of William Gibson and Ursula K. Le Guin. "Perdido Street Station", the first of Mieville's "Bas-Lag" novles, won instant acclaim as a genuine literary classic of science fiction and fantasy, a "steampunk" fantasy novel set in a world as vividly imagined as that of William Gibson's first novel trilogy, the Cyberspace trilogy comprised of "Neuromancer", "Count Zero" and "Mona Lisa Overdrive". "The Scar", the second novel, was a fantastic quest of a novel set in the remote reaches of Bas-Lag, far from the city of New Crubuzon. Now, in the "Iron Council", Mieville has written has most ambitious, most political, novel to date, describing the fate of a band of refugees from New Crubuzon, which is rocked internally by an unexpected popular insurrection and externally via its stalemated war with the distant city of Tesh.

Mieville's depiction of New Crubuzon will easily bring to mind images of the Paris Commune of 1870, the Russian Revolution of October (November) 1917 and other violent revolutions from the 19th and 20th centuries. It is most reminiscent of the Paris Commune in his depiction of the city's new revolutionary regime and the chaos which ensues following its bloody seizure of the city. Meanwhile a group of refugees find relative sanctuary in a train, the "Iron Council", which heads out on little-used railways and new miles of track, through the largely little-known interior of the vast continent which includes the city of New Crubuzon. Mieville bobs and weaves his engaging narrative amongst three main protagonists: Cutter and his lover Judah Low and Ori, the unexpected New Crubuzon revolutionary. Indeed, so vast is Mieville's literary canvas that readers may get lost - or worse mired - in the details (It's an observation worth noting that's been made by at least one other recent customer reviewer.), but I can assure you that the trek through Mieville's hundreds of pages is a literary journey well worth taking.

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