A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature

Book Description

Described as an "invaluable reference work" (Classical Philology) and "a tool indispensable for the study of early Christian literature" (Religious Studies Review) in its previous edition, this new updated American edition of Walter Bauer's Wörterbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments builds on its predecessor's staggering deposit of extraordinary erudition relating to Greek literature from all periods. Including entries for many more words, the new edition also lists more than 25,000 additional references to classical, intertestamental, Early Christian, and modern literature.

In this edition, Frederick W. Danker's broad knowledge of Greco-Roman literature, as well as papyri and epigraphs, provides a more panoramic view of the world of Jesus and the New Testament. Danker has also introduced a more consistent mode of reference citation, and has provided a composite list of abbreviations to facilitate easy access to this wealth of information.

Perhaps the single most important lexical innovation of Danker's edition is its inclusion of extended definitions for Greek terms. For instance, a key meaning of "episkopos" was defined in the second American edition as overseer; Danker defines it as "one who has the responsibility of safeguarding or seeing to it that something is done in the correct way, guardian." Such extended definitions give a fuller sense of the word in question, which will help avoid both anachronisms and confusion among users of the lexicon who may not be native speakers of English.

Danker's edition of Bauer's Wörterbuch will be an indispensable guide for Biblical and classical scholars, ministers, seminarians, and translators.

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A very reliable companion.......2007-07-21

This is a very reliable companion to the Greek text of the New Testament &c. Lucidly written, systematic and easy to use.

A very useful book.......2007-07-21

As an older student of Greek and only recently feeling at ease with the Greek New Testament I am finding this book very useful. I do agree with those who say that the large Liddell and Scott (LSJ) is also very useful. My study so far has been in ancient Greek generally (from Homer to Koine) and I have used LSJ (and the abridged editions) extensively; it a good tool to give New Testament readers a wider view of particular meanings.

So if you can afford it I say buy Danker and LSJ, and if you don't know your Greek accents, get a good book on that too (such as the one by Probert).

You will never read the New Testament the same way again!.......2007-01-04

Walter Bauer spent five hours every day of his scholarly career working on this invaluable lexicon. This lexicon will open up the world of New Testament Greek to even the beginning scholar. With only a little help and looking through the introduction to the lexicon, this volume will unpack the meaning of all the words in the New Testament and other Early Christian texts. If you are a seminarian, pastor, or interested person, this is a must have volume for your shelves.

The Gold Standard Greek Lexicon.......2006-12-26

This is indispensable. Proper Greek study and exegesis CANNOT be done without this resource. The down side? A bit pricy. But it more than pays for itself. WARNING: Pick up the most recent edition (the third, I believe); the changes are staggering and affect meaning.

over-rated and not worth the $.......2006-08-03

For much less than the price of this lexicon, one can purchase a copy of Thayer's, AND Trenchard's vocabulary guide AND a Greek concordance. Academic snobs make a big deal about how Thayer's lexicon is out of date because he did not have access to the papyri, but for 99% of New Testament words and meanings this is not an issue. Trenchard's book is actually MORE helpful, in my opinion, than this or any lexicon because he simply lists every possible meaning of each word. One way to get to the essence of a word's meaning is to look at the cognates, and Trenchard lists them all. A Greek concordance will actually print all the NT uses of a word in Greek. Bauer's lexicon is just not that helpful and is too wordy.

The New Oxford History of Music: Volume I: Ancient and Oriental Music (New Oxford History of Music, Vol.1)

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The New Oxford History of Music: Volume I: Ancient and Oriental Music (New Oxford History of Music, Vol.1)

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An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon: Founded upon the 7th ed. of Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon. 1889.

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An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon: Founded upon the 7th ed. of Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon. 1889.

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ASIN: 0199102066

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This abridgement of the world's most authoritative dictionary of ancient Greek is based on the 1883 revision. It includes some discussion of word usage, citing examples and characteristic phrases. Generally speaking only words used by late writers and scientific terms have been omitted from the full lexicon. From Homer downwards, to the close of Attic Greek, care has been taken to include all words, as well as those used by Aristotle, Plutarch in his Lives, Polybius, Strabo, Lucian, and the writers o the New Testament.

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Best single reference.......2007-10-12

This is an excellent work. It is unfortunate that in some fields, the tendency is to always prefer the latest and greatest. This lexicon was produced in the late 19th Century, but is still the best single resource one can get. The Intermediate Lexicon of Liddell and Scott has just the right balance between portability and usability. Come on now, do you really want to try using pocket lexicon for a language whose development (covered here, anyway) spanned close to a millennium? This one resource covers Homer through the Hellenistic Period.

Speaking of which, it is a great resource, but not perfect. There are some specialized lexicons I would recommend. Both Lust/Eynikel/Hauspie's _Lexicon of the Septuagint_ and Abbott-Smith's _Manual Lexicon of the New Testament_ incorporate early 20th C. papyri discoveries. Both have references to location within the literature they serve, and can act as a poor man's concordance. Both are useful because assigning existing Greek words to Hebrew/Christian religious concepts occasionally changed the meaning of those words in those communities. While the Middle Liddell has sound definitions, I think these others would be of help as well.

The quality of this Oxford University Press volume is outstanding. It will withstand many years of hard use. While the font is small, it is quite legible, and the printing and paper quality are very high.

If I was restricted to one Lexicon for all-round use, this would undoubtedly be it.

Outstanding.......2007-07-30

This review refers to 2002 impression printed and bound in Spain. Print quality is excellent. Binding and finish outstanding. Rarely have I found the Intermediate LSJ insufficient, even for graduate work although the "Big LSJ" has more examples of useage, and is extremely comprehensive. The newer Big LSJ includes Mycenean forms which is nice. The Intermediate has comprehensive listings of morphological forms. You can give this book hard use over the years and it will hold up well judging by my own copy. The paper cover doesn't last long, but the hard cover underneath is hardy. Exceptional value for money. There are a few pages where the typeset is a little faded but legible. A little weak on proper names although it has most of the most important. A masterpiece.

The only Greek Lexicon you will ever need.......2007-03-25

I began using this Greek Lexicon in my first year of Greek. Some twenty years later, it remains one of the most important resources I own. No student of Classical Greek or indeed New Testament Greek could possibly be without it. Although it is an abridgement of a larger work, it is by no means incomplete in its intermediate form, and in some respects is a better option than the larger edition, which is full of longer citations from classical authors.

As far as using this lexicon for the study of the New Testament, let me say the following: it remains the best lexicon even for New Testament (which now has an alarming array of lexicons) and supersedes in my opinion even the much touted Bauer/Danker Lexicon: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. My reasons are as follows. First, the definitions offered in Liddell/Scott are so precise that I have never found them to be wrong and seldom found them inadequate. The men who put this work together had a masterful knowledge of Greek. Second, Liddell/Scott gives words concrete definitions that the student can memorize, unlike Bauer/Danker, which sometimes provides too wide a range of semantic possibilities (often entrees are clouded with dozens of possible meanings, none of which are necessary if a student has basic definitions with which to work). Third, with Liddell/Scott, one can see what the word meant in classical writers and can see how it developed. Classical usage remains common on the New Testament. Fourth, this is not a bulky work. Finally, the printing remains of a very high standard. The Bauer/Danker lexicon remains a good choice for advanced scholars who are well on their way in their ability to translate ancient texts. The other work one might wish to explore as well is the one edited by Johannes P. Louw and Eugene A. Nida: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains

Wow! A Must Have.......2006-11-01

After struggling to manage my sanity this past summer during Intensive Elementary Greek (a full year of college-level Greek somehow crammed into a convenient six week course), I began searching for a solid lexicon several months ago while Intermediate Prose was becoming increasingly demanding. After some deliberation, I decided to purchase this title rather than the Little Liddell. Because I am certainly no doctoral candidate (although I aspire to be), I did not even consider the unabridged Big Liddell. While the Little Liddell is, well, littler and thus would have been a bit more convenient to cram into a bag and lug around, none from this set are exactly a pocket dictionary. Furthermore, I believe the Little only costs seven dollars less than the Middle Liddell. I could not be happier with my decision, and it has turned out that the extra seven dollars was well spent indeed. There have been several times in class in the past few months alone that the students equipped with the Little Liddell have been unable to find a certain word. Obviously I can't speak for them nor can I say for certain that the lexicon, and not laziness, is to blame, but the Little Liddell seeems to have been cut back a bit too far. There will probably come a time when I will need to invest in the big eight pounder, but I imagine, even then, that the Middle Liddell will be more used and as invaluable as it is now.

Agreement!.......2006-03-04

I have to voice agreement with those who praise this as the best but I wonder how much of our love for the book is because it has sat on our desks for so many years and is the first place we go to check something!

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The National Geographic of the 5th Century BC.
not for me
Extremely readable
Great Book
The Histories Revealed

The Histories (Penguin Classics)
Herodotus
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ASIN: 0140449086
Release Date: 2003-04-29

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Translated by Aubrey de S&eacutelincourt with an introduction and Notes by John M. Marincola.

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The National Geographic of the 5th Century BC........2007-08-13

Great read to get immersed in the 5th century BC world. Herodotus was a great story teller, whether of mythical or real stories. Some pages are really fun to read because of the friendly tone and plain language he uses. There are also a lot of unnecessary data -in my opinion- since he talks about all kinds of stories and gives plenty of detail, true or not that sometimes result boring.

The real interesting part comes in the last quarter of the book, where all the major battles between Persians and Greeks take place. A pity he didn't dwell a little more in the marathon and Thermopylae battles, but we get the big picture.

This is more an ethnographic study of all kinds of tribes that populated Greece and the Near East at the time. It's quite interesting to see what were the limitations as far as geography is concerned, the strange ideas they had about the far and unexplored areas of Europe, their peoples, etc. The comparison of what people thought and what really was is really amusing.

Skip the pages that you care less and enjoy the rest. There's plenty of good reading time here. Great translation, by the way.

not for me.......2007-06-07

This is a long, rambling, unfocused book. I guess the other reviewers are interested in everything covered here, but I wasn't. I tried this book after reading Thucydides. Thucydides has focus. Herodotus does not. Herodotus seems like the ancient equivalent of soap operas. I couldn't get through it.

Extremely readable.......2007-04-09

I picked a copy of the Histories mostly because i had just seen 300 and wanted to learn a bit more about the larger war. now, even though i'm quite interested in history, i was pretty apprehensive about reading a book like this one--besides the obvious length, it's dense, with many names and locations i've never seen before and that are rather obscure. however, i was very surprised by just how readable this translation is. you can tell that Selincourt spent a good deal of time making sure that the translation wasn't a direct, word for word port of the original text. the text, though still distinctly scholarly, is written in a manner not unlike any other mondern history book. beyond that, the account itself is very interesting to anyone with an interest in ancient history. this translation is highly recommended.

Great Book.......2007-03-20

This book really brings together all the essential knowledge on the subject. I have a class history book that takes excerts from books of Plutarch, Thucydides and Herodotus and i have go to say that going straight to the source made a big difference in class discussions. A definite must read for you history buffs out there.

The Histories Revealed.......2007-02-14

This history brings the ancient times to life in our modern age.

Basics of Biblical Greek Vocabulary Cards (Zondervan Vocabulary Builder Series, The)

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Where are the verbal roots....?
Great cards for learning greek
Great supplement to the book
Just a quick few words of caution...
Vocabulary Cards a Must

Basics of Biblical Greek Vocabulary Cards (Zondervan Vocabulary Builder Series, The)
William D. Mounce
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ASIN: 0310259878

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Basics of Biblical Greek Vocabulary Cards are keyed to Basics of Biblical Greek Grammar, have frequency numbers included, and contain principle parts of verbs. These cards are a convenient way for students to quiz themselves on new Greek words being learned. Want to find a card number for a particular Greek word? Click "Take a Closer Look" above. You'll find a listing of all the 1000 words in Greek alphabetical order. This list is not included in the Vocabulary Cards product. You'll want to print it out here as a study aid for yourself.

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Where are the verbal roots....?.......2007-07-09

These cards are great for learning vocabulary. However, William Mounce, as part of his "system" for learning verbs, stresses the exact memorization of verbal roots as the key to recognizing all the different tense stems. For verbs, these cards list all the different tense stems that occur in the NT, but no verbal roots. In fact, "Basics of Biblical Greek" (the textbook) does not include the verbal roots for any verbs other than those occuring more than 50 times in the NT. Maybe memorization of the roots is not really essential. While it's not a show stopper by any means (you can usually figure out the root) if you are really trying to use the Basics of Biblical Greek "system" for learning verbs these cards lack a key component. Perhaps this is a way to get us all to purchase the Mounce morphology book.

Great cards for learning greek.......2007-07-05

The quality is excellent and the extra info on the cards such as conjugations and amount of times the word is found in the NT make it an excellent value.

Great supplement to the book.......2007-06-26

These cards are immensely helpful for the rote memorazation part of biblical greek. I was relieved to find that I would not have to make my own flashcards.

Just a quick few words of caution..........2007-03-16

I am just starting out on a journey to teach myself NT Greek and I purchased a set of these cards without also purchasing the author's text. I strongly suggest you get both, as the cards are much more useful with the text, to which they are indexed.

I must also not that these cards are NOT printed to flip in the most logical way, top edge back to reveal the English translation of the Greek word. Instead, they must be flipped the more awkward side edge to the back to reveal the properly positioned English.

I was also just a bit disappointed that there was no more complete information on the parts of speech on the cards, but then, I expect that will all be revealed in the text, which I have just ordered.

Vocabulary Cards a Must.......2007-02-10

These cards are invaluable. The size of each card is just right. I was able to take these with me whenever I travelled and I could easily review the words each day. Before I knew it, I had a sizeable vacabulary memorized and could easily identify the words in Scripture.

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One of the best Greek grammars!
Comprehensive but totally overwhelming
Still the best Greek grammar
The best for all pre-modern Greek except Hellenistic.
Need this book be praised?

Greek Grammar
Herbert Weir Smyth , and Gordon M. Messing
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One of the best Greek grammars!.......2006-03-18

This is an excellent Greek grammar, but only for the
advanced! Except for Koine Greek, you will find about
everything there.

Comprehensive but totally overwhelming.......2005-10-10

Since most of you are probably required to buy this for class like me, this review may not be the most useful. But anyone thinking of buying this should know that it has every possible bit of information about Ancient Greek--and every tidbit, every little comment, is numbered. This means the student ends up reading a chapter, say, on verb stems, and reading numbers 1024 to 1112. Since the data is so organized, you'd think it's an easy reference, but no. If you're looking for something specific, it'll take some wading through numbers and symbols. Whatever you want is definitely in there--it just might take some time to find it.

Still the best Greek grammar.......2003-12-15

I am sad to say that I never bought this Grammar during my four years of studying Classics while in college. If I had been smart and actually bought this when I started I could have saved myself a lot of time and prevented a lot of headaches. Now I know that Smythe is old, and some of his approaches are outdated, but that does not mean his grammar book is still effective. His work on both prepositions and moods of verbs are the best I have found and have helped me tremendously. There are some scholars who have surpassed Smythe's work in other areas of Greek grammar and syntax, but as far as a basic and comprehensive grammar goes, Smythe is still the best for your both your wallet and your studies.

The best for all pre-modern Greek except Hellenistic........2002-01-14

This is an excellent reference book! It has passed the test of heavy usage, and it has outlasted many academic fads.

Smyth does a thorough yet concise job on the known varieties of written Greek usage from the Homeric epics up to the beginning of the Hellenistic period .

Smyth does not cover Hellenistic (Koiné) Greek as much, especially not for texts that have Semitic or Egyptian "flavors:" the Septuagint, New Testament and Egyptian Greek papyri. For real grammars on those, look up these authors: Wallace, Dana, Mantey, Robertson, Blass, Debrunner, Funk, Conybeare, Stock and Zerwick.

Some writers in the centuries between the reigns of Augustus and Constantine, and the Byzantines afterward, tried to "return" to Classical Attic usage in writing, with mixed results. When reading them, use both Smyth and a Hellenistic/Koiné grammar together, carefully.

Need this book be praised?.......2000-06-07

Smyth is the only grammar for ancient Greek worth buying (besides the advanced treatments of specialized topics like Goodwin on the moods and tenses and Denniston on the particles). Unlike Latin, where the field of grammars is much wider, Smyth is the only English grammar of ancient Greek comprehensive enough to warrant any attention from Hellenists. Goodwin and Gulick's volume is too sparse in comparison (but note they cover prosody and Smyth does not) while Kaegi's is a step below theirs in depth. Ideally all intermediate level Greek students will begin to use this text as a reference grammar. Very reasonably priced for the wealth of information it contains. The book itself is also durable and will endure years of constant thumbing.

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The best for older ones to learn
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Madrigal's Magic Key to Spanish
Margarita Madrigal
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ASIN: 0385410956
Release Date: 1989-09-01

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Anyone can read, write, and speak Spanish in only a few short weeks with this unique and proven method, which completely eliminates rote memorization and boring drills.

Original B & W illustrations.

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Best beginner's book! Helped me a lot.......2007-09-21

I'm very happy I came across this book. It is probably the best of all 20-something Spanish learning books I own. It is FULL of information and exercises that will help anyone who wants to learn learn quickly and quite easily. Like other people have said, I am surprised I've retained so much information. Because of this book, which goes through a lot of the verb tenses and a lot of the common verbs as well as vocabulary (from the beginning of the book, you find out you actually already know hundreds of words in spanish, because they're the same in english: words with certain endings), I'm able to express myself and have conversations with others without making errors because everything is explained so well and she shows the english equivalents, and the little reminder cards the author tells us to make to glance at when we have a moment as well as the variety of exercises and tests help me a lot to remember what I've learned. I would recommend this to anyone who wants to learn the language. It will help get you off to a quick, solid start. Even though Magic Key is just a book, the author has a pronunciation key that is very useful. Ex) The ll (double l) is pronounced Y as in "yes". Because of that and the reminders throughout the book on where to stress syllables for different words, I'm much more confident when I speak than I would otherwise be. If you are interested in learning the language and you know either nothing or are just a beginner with some knowledge, I highly recommend that you add this book to your learning library! After going through this book, I went through the "Practice Makes Perfect" Verb Tenses and Pronouns and Preposition books which really helped me with more in depth grammar. I think those books are best to learn after a book like Magic Key though because I think Magic Key will help *prepare* you for more in depth grammar books.

The best for older ones to learn.......2007-08-31

This is the 1st review I have ever written but, this book is so good I had to tell you. I'm an older one and had bought many, many different books, CD's for computer and Car to help me learn Spanish. But they all wanted to bog me down with the verb tables. I barley remember the specifics for English verbs. This book teaches you how to use the verbs correctly without all the rules. From the very beginning to the end it gives practical help. I appreciated learning the many words I harldy know in Spanish section and how to recognize them. The best book for anyone that just wants an easy way to learn how to communicate.

Great service.......2007-08-23

This book was shipped to my missionary son who will be teaching in Spanish. Great service. Thanks so much.

Good but.......2007-07-18

The book is good, however I feel that Madrigal spent too much time on the past & present tense & not enough on the more difficult ones, the imperfect, conditional, imperative & subjunctive. Seems like she rushed through those tenses.

This book delivers everything it promises EXCEPT for one thing . . ........2007-06-10

The jacket of this book says that it will teach the user how to read, write and speak Spanish in just a few short weeks. It also promises to teach the student how to convert English into Spanish in an instant; start forming sentences after the very first lesson; identify thousands of Spanish words within a few weeks of study; travel to Spanish-speaking countries with confidence and comfort; and develop perfect pronunciaton.

I have improved my reading, writing and speaking with this book. After a few short lessons of this book, I also found it easier to form more sentences in Spanish. The book also teaches you how to increase your knowledge of Spanish vocabulary by showing you how to easily change many English words into Spanish words. One technique teaches the student to convert English into Spanish by taking words that the student already knows that end with "ist" and changing the words to end with "ista" in order to form words in Spanish. So since you already know the English words "dentist," "artist," "communist," "pianist," you also know the Spanish words "dentista," "artista," "comunista," and "pianista." I found that this technique and similar techniques that this book taught me were very helpful. Concerning the book's promise to enable the reader to travel to Spanish speaking countries with confidence and comfort, I really don't know. But I will find out later this summer when I take a cruise to Mexico.

There was only one thing that I didn't find that the book did not do a good job of as it had promised. It promises to teach the reader how to "develop perfect pronunciation" by using the book's "handy pronunciation key." The book's pronunciation key was somewhat helpful to read but don't count on it helping you to "develop perfect pronunciation." You will need a lot more that than this book to accomplish that. For developing perfect pronunciation I recommend using Learning Spanish Like Crazy Level One and Nivel Dos. The Learning Spanish Like Crazy lessons have helped me to develop close to perfect pronunciation in a natural way. I am so confident about my pronunciation in Spanish that I don't need the approval of native Spanish speakers to compliment me on my accent. When I listen to other Americans that are learning Spanish or Americans that supposedly already know Spanish, and I hear them speak my reaction is WOW! My accent sounds so much better than their accent from using LSLC. But the one drawback of LSLC is that it didn't help me much with reading and writing. For reading and writing, you will need this book to fill in the gaps. I also recommend the FSI Programmatic Spanish courses for learning how to read and write in Spanish.

History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)

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History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)
Anatoly Fomenko
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ASIN: 2913621058

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Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.

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The Greek Way
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$2.59 for an affordable dabble into Ancient Greek history.......2007-06-15

Not even Mary Renault could get me interested in digging into Greek history. What finally did it for me was the PS2 game God of War. Now I want to know everything I can about Spartans but I don't want to pay too much money in the process.

THE GREEK WAY.......2007-04-11

WE GAVE THIS BOOK TO OUR BROTHER-IN-LAW WHO WAS BORN IN GREECE. HE LOVES IT AND WANTS TO READ OTHER BOOKS BY THE SAME AUTHOR,EDITH HAMILTON. WE ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN ALL OF HER BOOKS.

A very learned view of the classical greeks.......2007-02-02

The first thing one encounters when reading Edith Hamilton's 'The Greek Way' is her love and even exuberance for her subject. Her opening remarks describe the classical greek worldview; an ability to grasp the world as it is, and still find it to be beautiful. This grasp this people had on reality would allow them to create the pictorial art, the art of the stage, here not including the dialogue and the dinner/drinking party, all still enjoyed much in the same manner today as the greeks enjoyed them in 500 b.c.e.

Plato and Socrates, and the way they experienced gentlemanly society, are highlighted as the crowning achievements of greek philosophy. It is the Ideal, Hamilton seems to say implicitly, that the greeks envisioned and carried forward philosophically, that would later influence western civilization in the way it did.

Later, comparisons are drawn between Aeschylus and Shakespeare, where the influence of the former on the latter is striking by the examples Hamilton presents. Hamilton here defines trajedy, elucidates pathos, and the differences between the two. She goes on to draw similarities between Virgil and Sophocles in their poetry and subjects, a valid comparison, she makes it seem.

Between this first and last, Herodotus is presented as a wide-eyed surprisingly objective first reporter who documents the cogitations and remarks of subjects as diverse as the delphic priestess and Cyrus the Great of Persia.

Freedom is won in the face of the Persian threat, and is the singular hallmark of the classical greeks in Hamilton's view. It affects everything the personalities Hamilton brings to light accomplish. Every work of art, every stage play, every dialectical argument can be viewed either as being in the presence of, or having the lack of freedom and democracy.

There is no question, Hamilton rightly defines the greatness of these greeks as a free, democratic people. But at the close of her book, Greece has become imperialistic and desires empire. Sophocles, the old conservative guardsman, documents poetically the zeitgeist of the former and current states of things, and a new era is dawning.

But Hamilton wisely leaves off here, having presented a wonderful picture of a wonderful people during a wonderful time.

Thoughtfully written and full of insight.......2006-02-12

The Greek Way, scholar Edith Hamilton's first book, is about the unification of body and soul-or, in Hamilton's terms, mind and spirit. Hamilton argues that this unification was achieved in a variety of areas in ancient Greek culture. Furthermore, this achievement is almost unique in world history.

Various individuals, including Socrates, Xenophon, Aeschylus, and Pindar, are discussed. Hamilton finds unexpected parallels between people, such as Aristophanes and William S. Gilbert. These parallels provide fascinating contexts. They help the reader appreciate why and how notable historical Greeks represent and transcend their time and place.

In "The Greek Way of Writing," one of the book's best chapters, Hamilton writes, "The Greek poet lifts one corner of the curtain only. A glimpse is given, no more, but by it the mind is fired to see for itself what lies behind. The writer will do no more than suggest the way to go, but he does it in such a fashion that the imagination is quickened to create for itself."

Much as it this is perhaps true of ancient Greek writers, I find it an especially accurate description of Hamilton's own method. Behind every one of the book's carefully chosen words is the assumption that our lives can be beautiful, if we will make them that way.

Hamilton is a classicist in the word's deepest sense: she believes in the continual validity and vitality of certain ideas. Whether achieved in the realms of art, politics, or philosophy, insights into the nature and meaning of human existence never loose their power. These ideas do what they have always done: they invite access, reflection, and application.

An Inspiration We All Need.......2005-10-20

" Little is left of all this wealth of great art: the sculptures, defaced and broken into bits, have crumbled away; the buildings are fallen; the paintings gone forever; of the writings, all lost but a very few. We have only the ruin of what was; the world has had no more than that for well on for two thousand years; yet these few remains of the mighty structure have been a challenge and an incitement to men ever since and they are among our possessions today which we value as most precious." A passage taken at random (page 18 of my Norton edition) which illustrates the strength of this remarkable book. Edith Hamilton writes beautiful prose which has been a joy to many since her book was first published in 1930.

She writes for an audience unfamiliar with ancient Greek culture. Her attempt to indicate the effect that Pindar achieved is perhaps bound to fail, but it is a noble attempt. She fares a little better with the dramatists, though hindered in that we are little equipped to appreciate verse drama in translation. The best sections are those dealing with prose writers: Plato, Herodotus, Thucydides. An important proviso though is that Hamilton is not primarily an analyst. She strives to pass on her own love and appreciation, not a critique. As such her work has always been welcomed by lay readers new to the subject.

This beautifully written book, both lofty and inspiring, yet inculcates a number of falsities about ancient Greece, once commonly held. It downplays Greek religion and magical and mystical beliefs, apparantly under the impression that the philosophical outlook (which survives in written form more so than religious texts) was the norm. On the contrary, one of the universal influences on all ancient Greeks (and it is suspected, on emerging Christianity, was the Eleusian mysteries. Greek oracular shrines, too, were enormously popular throughout the ancient Mediterranean world. The book also overlooks the fact that the 'rationalist' school of philosophy initiated by Thales was an outcrop of Persian philosophical thinking.

Hamilton's book contrasts Persian (tyrannical and slave based) with Greek (freedom loving) society, oblivious that Greece was a slave based society (as most ancient cultures were) and that many Persians were fanatically loyal to their 'King of Kings'. Little is said of the oligarchic governments of poleis such as Thebes, Sparta or Corinth, nor of the excesses of Athenian democracy; the list of great names who succumbed to democratic reigns of terror is a sad one: Themistokles, Aristedes, Alkibiades, Socrates...

The subjective feeling is that the Greeks were fighting something similar to Nazism in their Persian Wars. Scholarship is yet another expression of the time in which it was written.

Yet of course all this is little in comparison to the book's great virtues. Don't read it as an example of penetrating scholarship: there is plenty of more up-to-date material freely available. Read it if you need to know why the ancient Greeks are important, have been in the past, and hopefully will always be.

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Robert Fagles's translation is a jaw-droppingly beautiful rendering of Homer's Odyssey, the most accessible and enthralling epic of classical Greece. Fagles captures the rapid and direct language of the original Greek, while telling the story of Odysseus in lyrics that ring with a clear, energetic voice. The story itself has never seemed more dynamic, the action more compelling, nor the descriptions so brilliant in detail. It is often said that every age demands its own translation of the classics. Fagles's work is a triumph because he has not merely provided a contemporary version of Homer's classic poem, but has located the right language for the timeless character of this great tale. Fagles brings the Odyssey so near, one wonders if the Hollywood adaption can be far behind. This is a terrific book.

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If The Iliad is the world's greatest war epic, then The Odyssey is literature's grandest evocation of everyman's journey though life. Odysseus's reliance on his wit and wiliness for survival in his encounters with divine and natural forces during his ten-year voyage home to Ithaca after the Trojan War is at once a timeless human story and an individual test of moral endurance.

Translated by Robert Fagles
Introduction and Notes by Bernard Knox

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Uses for this Translation.......2007-09-30

this is an amazing book, with something for anyone. if you are interested in studying philosophy, you'll find it here. but, you can also read a great adventure story with fables and a love story written in. in that sense, this is a great translation; if you want to read this for the sake of entertainment, Fagles is a great translator. if you want to read for philosophical discussion, however, he might not serve your purposes. the thing you have to know about Fagles is, he often inserts adjectives and the feel of the entire story changes. so, if you want fidelity to the Greek words, try Lattimore. if you want fidelity to the Greek metrical sense, try Mandelbaum or Pope. and if you want fidelity to the Greek adventure epic, Fagles is your guy.

Fantastic Read.......2007-09-26

I'd tried to read some of the "classic" translations in college, and though I love poetry I found that Chapman, Pope et al. were extremely difficult to wade through. I skipped around, read what I thought were the "best parts," and put it aside.

I found the prose translations to pedantic, and none caught my interest.

Fagles version enthralled me, and made me realize that I knew nothing about the story. It was far deeper, more complex, and emotionally rich than I ever suspected.

There were certainly parts that dragged - there were whole pages devoted to feasting, and some of Odysseus' longer lies grew tiring. There were also parts that soared - Calypso's unrequited love for the hero, Athena's deadly games, Nausicaa on the beach, Odysseus meeting his dead countrymen in Hades, and the slaughter in the hall are all vividly captured. I'm ready to move on to the Iliad and Aeneid now!

If Homer were a down-home balladeer..........2007-09-20

Fagles's colloquial translation is far from faithful to Homer. It lacks any hint of the grandeur or gravitas proper to the epic, and in places borders on paraphrase. Some will argue that because most of the Odyssey is either dialogue or narrative told by one the characters, colloquial language is appropriate. However, the colloquial tone extends even to poet's (or muse's) own narration. One need look no further than the translation's first line for an example: where Homer speaks of the man who is polytropos ("of many turns"), Fagles gives us "the man of twists and turns." Moreover, it is hard to accept the colloquialism of much of the dialogue. For example, Fagles makes Nestor respond to Telemachus's request for the story of Agamemnon's murder, with: "Gladly, my boy, I'll tell you the story from first to last..." This is hardly the way one talks about the tragic and treacherous death of a former comrade in arms. Nor is Fagles's rendering of Odysseus famous narrative in Books 9-12 convincing: for example, Fagles has Lampetie bringing news to Helios of his cattle's slaughter "Quick as a flash." By contrast, Lattimore tells us she "ran swift with the message."

If Homer were a down-home balladeer, Fagles would be the translator of choice.

People Don't Make Up Curses Like That Anymore..........2007-06-14

My freshman English class tackled The Odyssey, and we all relished it. The high-key adventure, the indomitable Odysseus, the history and culture of our adored Greek society, and the rich dialogue all kept us hooked. The curse of the Cyclops is still a monologue I fall back on, even three years later, because, I'm telling you, people nowadays just don't know how to cast curses! As a little recommendation to enhance the reader's enjoyment, read a little bit about the Trojan War before starting. For my class, we had a packet with the history of the war, beginning with the Choice of Paris and ending with the Wooden Horse. It helps with the understanding of the story and whets the appetite for Homer's epic.

"I long to be homeward bound" Simon and Garfunkle.......2007-04-29

The Trojan War is over and one of our hero kings is lost. His son (Telemachus) travels to find any information about his father's fait. His wife (Penelope) must cunningly hold off suitors that are eating them out of house and home.

If he ever makes it home Odysseus will have to detect those servants loyal from those who are not. One absent king against rows of suitors; how will he give them their just deserts? We look to Bright Eyed Pallas Athena to help prophecy come true.

Interestingly all the tales of monsters and gods on the sea voyage was told by Odysseus. Notice that no on else survives to tell the tale. So we have to rely on Odysseus' word.

Many movies took sections of The Odyssey, and expanded them to make interesting stories those selves.

Not just the story but the way in which it is told will keep you up late at night reading.

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